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Lizskid
11-07-2008, 07:36 PM
Historic for Some, Same Old **** for the Rest of Us
By Harvey Fierstein
While we dance in the streets and pat ourselves on the back for being a nation great enough to reach beyond racial divides to elect our first African-American president let us not forget that we remain a nation still proudly practicing prejudice.
I have heard this day described as one of transcendence where Americans came together to prove that we are, above all, a nation of fairness. World witnesses wrote that we rose above ideology, politics and bigotry to achieve a great moment for America. Meanwhile, on this same Election Day, we great Americans passed laws as heinous as any Jim Crow legislation. We great Americans reached out and willfully put our name to language that denies an entire minority group their equal rights.
Of course I am referring to the states of Florida, Arizona and California passing legislation to specifically deny gay people from entering into the contract of marriage. Actually, that's not true. We can still get married, just not to each other. Yes my friends, Florida and California have now made it legal for gay men and lesbians to marry as long as we don't marry our partners. How much sense does that make?
Now, before you rise up on your high horse to holler, "We're not against Civil Unions, just Gay Marriage", let me once again explain that THE SUPREME COURT HAS STATED THAT SEPARATE BUT EQUAL IS NOT EQUAL. And even if it were, civil unions are simply not equal to marriage.
Let me give you a simple example that anyone can follow. John and Jim are registered as domestic partners and so, just like a married couple; Jim is covered by John's employee health care. That's really nice. BUT... since the IRS does not recognize civil unions or domestic partnership Jim has to pay income tax on the value of this coverage. So, unlike a married couple, John and Jim are penalized hundreds of dollars for not being married. That's not fair. That's not in the spirit of the civil union legislation. And that's just the tip of the iceberg of the inequality being offered.
Listen, my fellow Americans, I am only asking that we get sensible about this controversy. Gays are not asking for religious blessings. We are not asking for everyone to come to our weddings. We are not asking the government to force churches and synagogues to perform marriage rituals or even to allow us into their tax-exempt edifices. We are simply and forcefully demanding equal protection under the laws of this nation as tax paying, voting, property owning citizens. I want no more or less protection than granted any heterosexual to control and distribute my holdings.
State sanctioned marriage is a civil contract period. A contract is not a judgment of moral (http://www.datalounge.com/cgi-bin/iowa/forum/thread/gossip/7172492/page-1.html#) value. It is a legal agreement between two parties that testifies to a meeting of minds between those consenting entities. It is not a religious act or rite and so has nothing to do with Adam and Eve or Steve or even Harvey. I often say that if you want to really want to understand the contract of marriage just ask anyone who has been divorced. The marriage contract is one of property rights. Or maybe you can look in the bible to see what Adam had to say about divorce since Eve was his second wife. So, while we rightfully celebrate the election of our first African American president, let us take a moment to mourn the passage of three new laws legalizing prejudice. Of course there will be those who claim that voters were only protecting the institution of marriage to whom I would suggest it is just as likely that Obama's supporters were only voting against 'W'. Breaking the lock on my door doesn't make your home any more secure.

Amy
11-07-2008, 09:12 PM
I think it's time to move past the "victim" persona and the compromising to the point of losing our voice. We must stand up tall and proud and DEMAND the equal rights the US Constitution guarantees us and be uncompromising in those demands. We must EDUCATE, EDUCATE, EDUCATE. Some were afraid their children would learn about homosexuality if gay marriage were allowed? Well guess what, they are definitely going to hear about it now. We must dispel the lies and myths they believe about us. We must root out the intolerance against and hatred of glbt people and that will be done most effectively by talking about it over and over again in every forum and medium possible. We must move from the defensive to the offensive because until we do the tyranny of the majority will never recognize the rights of our minority. We tried asking and compromising and look where that got us: slapped in the face, time and again.

nutshell
11-08-2008, 03:07 PM
Fabulous needs to run a better campaign. Sitting back with a 17 point lead months ago was a huge mistake.

Booko
11-08-2008, 04:38 PM
Fabulous needs to run a better campaign. Sitting back with a 17 point lead months ago was a huge mistake.

Human Rights Campaign was working for months though. I was always getting emails from them about Prop 8 and how things were going.

It's quite a blow for those who just got the ability to marry to have it snatched away again so quickly, I'm sure, but there may be a tiny bright side to this yet.

Discussion is happening about this issue, and the next time there's a vote, well, I'm sure organizations will be learning from this experience.

Booko
11-08-2008, 04:44 PM
We must EDUCATE, EDUCATE, EDUCATE.

:yes:

Some were afraid their children would learn about homosexuality if gay marriage were allowed? Well guess what, they are definitely going to hear about it now.

I don't know how I can still be amazed by this sort of thing. Argh! Their kids already know about homosexuality. It's just that their kids know whether mom and dad will freak out if the subject is mentioned or not, and if they will, they know enough to be silent.

We must move from the defensive to the offensive because until we do the tyranny of the majority will never recognize the rights of our minority. We tried asking and compromising and look where that got us: slapped in the face, time and again.

Look to the experience of the Civil Rights Movement, Amy. No one got anywhere by just asking for their rights. Oh sure, there were those who just asked -- but there were those who demanded very stridently. Were it not for the latter, African-Americans might still not have the vote.

There are a lot of lessons to be learned by looking at the history of the Civil Rights Movement and Women's Suffrage.