Religious gangs stoning women, attacking stores in... Israel?

[Slatka]

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hoA3xhc9M-8OwT6b-yjxC_DzJ8fQD93JN8IO0

Scary.

[beckysoup61]

:eek:

What does this sound eerily similar to the Taliban?

[Slatka]

I like that American teenager. "They can all burn in hell!" - hahaha. I want to have her over for dinner.

[wh44]

Very, very scary. It is surprising that it hasn't been reported on more in the past - apparently it is getting better:

In recent years, however, the haredim have eased up on their long campaign to impose their rules on secular areas, and nowadays many restaurants and suburban shopping centers are open on the Sabbath.

These days, most vigilante attacks take place in the zealots' own neighborhoods.

[Booko]

I don't know if it's still the case, but a couple of decades ago there was a neighborhood in NYC you didn't want to drive through on Saturday either. I know because a friend of mine did so (it's not like anyone puts up warning signs) and got his car dinged from some rocks.

Extremes in religion often go this way, and it ain't pretty when it does.

I wonder what the Torah actually says about this? I bet if I asked my neighbor's rabbi he'd give me a really full explanation about why it's not ok. (He's Orthodox, btw).

[jewscout]

for some reason i could open the article for a second and then it closed and won't let me reopen it :(

anywho...i can tell by the title of the article, which i did catch, that we're dealing w/ another bunch of haredi teenagers who have too much time on their hands and too much zealotsness (is that even a word??) fed to them.

frankly these haredim disgust me sometimes. By picking up a rock and attacking someone or throwing it at an open store on shabbat you yourself are breaking shabbat BECAUSE THE FREAKIN ROCK IS MUKTZAH (http://www.shabat.co.il/halachot/muktza.htm)!!!:mad:

and for the love of G-d change your wardrobe, this is not 19th century Poland! You're living in the freakin MIDDLE EAST!! IT'S HOT OUTSIDE!!!

[jewscout]

I wonder what the Torah actually says about this? I bet if I asked my neighbor's rabbi he'd give me a really full explanation about why it's not ok. (He's Orthodox, btw).

they're taking halacha into their own hands, in essence, breaking it in the process. If someone is breaking shabbat and you want to see them punished then the PROPER thing to do would be to convene a Bet Din (religious court) and try them (though i don't know how much a non-religious person would care about the pretty much non-binding ruling of the Dayanim).

it's the same reason i get disgusted when i see people in parts of the religious zionist camp boo when they are asked to give a moment of silence for the memory of Yitzchak Rabin on the anniversary of his death.

[Booko]

for some reason i could open the article for a second and then it closed and won't let me reopen it :(

anywho...i can tell by the title of the article, which i did catch, that we're dealing w/ another bunch of haredi teenagers who have too much time on their hands and too much zealotsness (is that even a word??) fed to them.

I think you meant zealousness. But I get your point!

and for the love of G-d change your wardrobe, this is not 19th century Poland! You're living in the f'n MIDDLE EAST!! IT'S HOT OUTSIDE!!!

I always wonder about that. Somehow I can't see that Jews of thousands of years ago would recognize the attire as especially Jewish? But hey, if they don't mind the dry cleaning bills, I guess that's not my affair. :p

I wonder what the Torah actually says about this? I bet if I asked my neighbor's rabbi he'd give me a really full explanation about why it's not ok. (He's Orthodox, btw).

they're taking halacha into their own hands, in essence, breaking it in the process. If someone is breaking shabbat and you want to see them punished then the PROPER thing to do would be to convene a Bet Din (religious court) and try them (though i don't know how much a non-religious person would care about the pretty much non-binding ruling of the Dayanim).

Thanks, Jewscout. I thought as much.

it's the same reason i get disgusted when i see people in parts of the religious zionist camp boo when they are asked to give a moment of silence for the memory of Yitzchak Rabin on the anniversary of his death.

Wow, people boo at a time like that? There are people whose acts in life I viewed as despicable, but still I don't have feel the need to do that sort of thing. They're in G-d's hands now, so I can't see why I shouldn't spend my energy elsewhere, I guess.

[Ody]

and for the love of G-d change your wardrobe, this is not 19th century Poland! You're living in the freakin MIDDLE EAST!! IT'S HOT OUTSIDE!!!

That's just offensive to Haredim...

Can you explain this post? Or will this venom go unaccounted for like the actions discussed in the article?

[Vex]

and for the love of G-d change your wardrobe, this is not 19th century Poland! You're living in the freakin MIDDLE EAST!! IT'S HOT OUTSIDE!!!

That's just offensive to Haredim...

Can you explain this post? Or will this venom go unaccounted for like the actions discussed in the article?What venom? It is hot outside. Dressing like your 200-year-old ancestors in another country despite the heat just to prove you don't accept the 21st century is ridiculous.

[beckysoup61]

and for the love of G-d change your wardrobe, this is not 19th century Poland! You're living in the freakin MIDDLE EAST!! IT'S HOT OUTSIDE!!!

That's just offensive to Haredim...

Can you explain this post? Or will this venom go unaccounted for like the actions discussed in the article?What venom? It is hot outside. Dressing like your 200-year-old ancestors in another country despite the heat just to prove you don't accept the 21st century is ridiculous.

So, you'd say that to the FLDS polygamists too? Or do you reserve this respect just for people you tolerate and don't find to be scumbags?

You do know that Jewscout it Jewish and living in Israel, right?

[Jayhawker Soule]

Scary.They are despicable and dangerous bigots, but of far greater concern is the culture that tends to accommodate/enable them.

[Ody]

Just to think of the level of religious bigotry offered here on this thread, one can only think of the levels against Hasidim in Israel.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Just to think of the level of religious bigotry offered here on this thread, one can only think of the levels against Hasidim in Israel.What on earth are you babbling about?

[Ody]

Just to think of the level of religious bigotry offered here on this thread, one can only think of the levels against Hasidim in Israel.What on earth are you babbling about?

Mockery of religious and cultural dress and tradition is uncalled for and shows a lack of respect. No one is hurt from how a Haredim dresses, so why mock it and look down on it?

[beckysoup61]

Just to think of the level of religious bigotry offered here on this thread, one can only think of the levels against Hasidim in Israel.What on earth are you babbling about?

Mockery of religious and cultural dress and tradition is uncalled for and shows a lack of respect. No one is hurt from how a Haredim dresses, so why mock it and look down on it?

Does that same respect go for all religions with a certain dress code? Or just the Jews? :confused:

[Jayhawker Soule]

Just to think of the level of religious bigotry offered here on this thread, one can only think of the levels against Hasidim in Israel.What on earth are you babbling about?Mockery of religious and cultural dress and tradition is uncalled for and shows a lack of respect. No one is hurt from how a Haredim dresses, so why mock it and look down on it?You're right. I stand corrected.

[Ðanisty]

Just to think of the level of religious bigotry offered here on this thread, one can only think of the levels against Hasidim in Israel.What on earth are you babbling about?

Mockery of religious and cultural dress and tradition is uncalled for and shows a lack of respect. No one is hurt from how a Haredim dresses, so why mock it and look down on it?I don't think anyone is mocking them. I think people have pointed out the absurdity of it and I don't see what the problem is with that. Since jewscout lives in Israel, I think he has a good idea of how hot is there. This is Comparative Religion and since nobody here is Haredim, nobody here has been attacked. Everyone is allowed to share their opinions.

[jewscout]

Just to think of the level of religious bigotry offered here on this thread, one can only think of the levels against Hasidim in Israel.What on earth are you babbling about?

Mockery of religious and cultural dress and tradition is uncalled for and shows a lack of respect. No one is hurt from how a Haredim dresses, so why mock it and look down on it?

1. you are correct i shouldn't have said this. My reaction stems from my own personal experience w/ some haredim here in Israel.

2. i don't look down on haredim in general, my problem is with those who feel that they are the only true form of judaism and thus this gives them the right to lash out, violently, at other people.

3. While many non-religious and even some religious don't care for haredim, to say that there is more prejudice against them than other groups w/in Israel's jewish population is a bit of a stretch. one of the most powerful political groups in Israel, Shas, is a Sephardic Haredi party.

[Slatka]

It's strange what a people who genuinely or even simply perceive themselves to be facing an existential threat will tolerate in order to ensure their people go on. I wouldn't say our culture is tolerant of Islamic fundamentalists but, what tolerance does exist, is directly rooted in the genocide. If it had not happened... things would be very different.

So I can understand why these people are tolerated to whatever degree they are by less conservative and less traditional Israelis and Jews. There's a sense of security these people, and people like them in other faiths, bring that can only be felt when there is some outside threat. Once that threat is gone, the tolerance dries up.

[Futuwwa]

Slatka, your post does not compute. Haredi extremism and militant religious Zionism are different things, hardly correlated. In fact, the Haredi have come to accept the Jewish state only grudgingly and on condition that they receive an outrageous amount of goodies from it.