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Dream Theater
08-20-2008, 01:05 PM
Left-libertarianism goes unnoticed even in third party discussions, which is quite strange - the word libertarian derives from the early French socialist movement. Apparently it got lost in translation when Ayn Rand came to be.

Unlike its counterpart, right-libertarianism, L-Ls do not tout the conservative line commonplace in Ron Paul and Bob Barr. They do not oppose gay marriage (more likely oppose all state marriage entirely), nor inane restrictions on prostitution, drugs, and gambling, nor will you find them espousing traditional value. They are supportive of reproductive rights, and keeping religion a private matter. Left-libertarians attack capitalism, but not markets. They view land rent as authoritarian and oppose all special contracts given to corporations. Left-libertarians wish to synthesize markets, communism, and all other free associations according to the desires of every person. Left-libertarians champion feminism, anti-state socialism, environmentalism, anti-state markets, mutualism, and geoism.

Unlike the stereotype Left, they are not for big government, although they do share similar concerns for the poor and underprivileged.

http://leftlibertarian.org/what-is-left-libertarianism

I think it would be better suited to call it just plain "libertarianism," and people like Ron Paul and Bob Barr as "constitutionalism." Most L-Ls that I know do not champion the constitution for its historical purpose of keeping a minority powerful.

moni_gail
08-20-2008, 02:24 PM
I would say this matches me pretty well, though I have an absolute trust in our Constitution, if not some of our Supreme Court Justices who try to discern it's meaning for today's issues.

Eudaimonist
08-20-2008, 03:52 PM
Left-libertarianism goes unnoticed even in third party discussions, which is quite strange - the word libertarian derives from the early French socialist movement. Apparently it got lost in translation when Ayn Rand came to be.

I tend to call myself an Aristotelian liberal, which is very similar to an Ayn Rand-style libertarian capitalist. I'm not a traditionalist conservative, but then I'm not a left-libertarian either. (You seem to be leaving out the "middle-libertarianism" of the Libertarian Party, btw, which is not traditionalist or conservative, but isn't left-libertarian either.)

I however support Bob Barr, mainly because he seems to be much less conservative than he was, and he is getting closer to his Objectivist roots through his involvement in the LP. (He was influenced at a young age by Ayn Rand, but somehow lost his way for a long time in traditionalism.)


eudaimonia,

Mark

Dream Theater
08-20-2008, 05:00 PM
Center-libertarians? I suppose, but there really is only two distinct views on capitalism for libertarians - either it should not exist (a free market alternative, or socialism, or communism, or geoism - whichever people want) or it's the only system. Capitalism is a distinct system where land acts as a commodity (negating left-libertarianism) and all private contracts are recognized as true, making incorporation legal. Socially I guess you could argue in favor of restricting homosexual marriages, but I think that's constitutionalism and not libertarianism.

Ody
08-21-2008, 02:02 AM
Anarchism is beyond "Left" and "Right"

Dream Theater
08-21-2008, 07:28 AM
Anarchism is beyond "Left" and "Right"
There's a conflict of interests.

Left-anarchists (who constitute the majority of anarchists) believe natural resources are foremost for collective benefit since they're independent of humans. They are to be used for private use with the recognition of others. I'm part of this branch. You don't own air, and you don't own land.

Right-anarchists believe you can take natural resources without any consideration for others put at a disadvantage.

From a leftist perspective, the rightist has intruded on his/her liberty.

Eudaimonist
08-21-2008, 08:05 AM
there really is only two distinct views on capitalism for libertarians - either it should not exist (a free market alternative, or socialism, or communism, or geoism - whichever people want) or it's the only system. Capitalism is a distinct system where land acts as a commodity (negating left-libertarianism) and all private contracts are recognized as true, making incorporation legal. Socially I guess you could argue in favor of restricting homosexual marriages, but I think that's constitutionalism and not libertarianism.

I don't think that property rights in land is essential to Capitalism, but I will accept the distinction you draw here. I'm certainly a right-libertarian by this distinction. I have no problems with private ownership of land, and I think that this enhances individual liberty. I would call left-libertarians totalitarians in sheep's clothing. ;)


eudaimonia,

Mark