View Full Version : Save Prithviraj Chauhan's grave!
Ayodhya
12-07-2007, 05:06 PM
Save the grave of Prithvi Raj Chauhan Petition (http://www.petitiononline.com/A1910A/petition.html)
Prithiviraj Chauhan, a Hindu and a Rajput from North India was the last Hindu to rule the city of Delhi after he lost his kingdom to the Afghani Muslim warlord, Mohammed of Goari.
Gaori was first defeated by Chauhan, and then let go by his magnanimity. It was a fatal mistake and Gaori returned and attacked the Rajput at night (a practice forbidden by Rajput rules of war) and captured him. Prithiviraj was then blinded by hot iron rods but eventually killed Gaori in an archery contest.
His grave is in Afghanistan and dilapidated. After a new report, Afghanistani's are shown to continually ruin the grave in vengeance for the act over 900 hundred years ago!
Groups have petitioned for the grave to return to India, but India's "secular" government has decided not on at least two occasions.
As India spends money on Afghanistan, Afghanistan should return the favor.
Please sign the petition!
Scuba Pete
12-12-2007, 10:41 AM
I just can't get worked up over a 900 year old grave! As it is history, it is significant, but I would not expect someone ELSE to pay for it's reinternment.
Slatka
12-12-2007, 10:47 AM
The grave's purpose in Afghanistan seems to be significant but that doesn't mean the actual grave needs to remain there. It could be transferred to India and some sort of memorial put in its place for Afghani rituals of revenge.
I'm sensitive to these sorts of things. Our first constitution, which is almost 1,000 years old, is in a museum in St. Petersburg, Russia - a country we don't have particularly good relations with. The Russian intellectual classes that manage and visit the museum would never harm it but the political classes have, at times, expressed a willingness to. It negates many of the Serbian myths about Bosnia and Herzegovina because it confirms, first of all, that Bosnia did exist and we weren't all just Christian Serbs before the Ottoman Empire arrived. It also confirms we very closely associated with Roman Catholicism and Croatia in terms of trade and so on, while our only political relationship with medieval Serbia was largely one of conflict and inter-marriage peace attempts at the royal level.
Another example, our medieval tombstones - those built by followers of the heretical, medieval Bosnian Church - are called stecci. Many of the most beautiful, ornately engraved ones were taken to a museum in Belgrade, Serbia, when we were both republics within Yugoslavia. They've since been completely destroyed by the museum staff, broken apart into pieces and thrown in the alley behind the museum.
These sorts of things are very annoying so, good luck with the petition, Ayodhya.
Ayodhya
12-12-2007, 02:36 PM
These sorts of things are very annoying so, good luck with the petition, Ayodhya.
Thank you so much. It's good to see that others in the Old World have similar ideas of protecting heritage.
I just can't get worked up over a 900 year old grave! As it is history, it is significant, but I would not expect someone ELSE to pay for it's reinternment.
Prithviraj Chauhan is known for being the one major reason for the Muslim invasion of India. It certainly is a large turning point in Indian history and deserves to be preserved, especially for Rajputs and Rajasthani's who consider this man and his lineage to be important ancestors.
In this day and age, there are many sophisticated techniques in moving the grave without damaging it. It should be allowed to be moved from Afghanistan where it is not kept properly to a country where he will be treated as a hero.
If the Afghanistani government is unwilling to pay for it, India will and I can certainly say that many communities would donate towards that cause.
I just signed the petition.
I remember from the Mahabharata war also that all fighting ended at sunset. That was so coward of Gaori to attack after sunset and catch him off-guard.
Slatka
12-12-2007, 03:11 PM
After all that, I completely forgot to sign it. Oh well, it's been remedied. ;)
After all that, I completely forgot to sign it. Oh well, it's been remedied. ;)
:rofl:
Ayodhya
12-12-2007, 03:18 PM
I just signed the petition.
I remember from the Mahabharata war also that all fighting ended at sunset. That was so coward of Gaori to attack after sunset and catch him off-guard.
Yes. The rules of righteous Hindu warfare are taken straight from the Mahabharata and despite this, the Rajputs never gave up their chivalrous ways. In a way, I would call it stupidity in the face of obvious tactics against those unwilling to fight straight, but it says a lot about their code of honour.
The Rajputs never made good use of terrain or tactics. Even then, they kept fighting ancient war - you know, lining up across from each other and then fighting.
It was only later with the Vijaynagara, Maratha, Ahom, and Orissan empires that they decided to fight dirty and did well against the invaders.
I just signed the petition.
I remember from the Mahabharata war also that all fighting ended at sunset. That was so coward of Gaori to attack after sunset and catch him off-guard.
Yes. The rules of righteous Hindu warfare are taken straight from the Mahabharata and despite this, the Rajputs never gave up their chivalrous ways. In a way, I would call it stupidity in the face of obvious tactics against those unwilling to fight straight, but it says a lot about their code of honour.
The Rajputs never made good use of terrain or tactics. Even then, they kept fighting ancient war - you know, lining up across from each other and then fighting.
It was only later with the Vijaynagara, Maratha, Ahom, and Orissan empires that they decided to fight dirty and did well against the invaders.
It does say a lot about their code of honour but it's good that they eventually realized that the invaders didn't have the same code of honour.
Ayodhya
12-12-2007, 04:00 PM
I just signed the petition.
I remember from the Mahabharata war also that all fighting ended at sunset. That was so coward of Gaori to attack after sunset and catch him off-guard.
Yes. The rules of righteous Hindu warfare are taken straight from the Mahabharata and despite this, the Rajputs never gave up their chivalrous ways. In a way, I would call it stupidity in the face of obvious tactics against those unwilling to fight straight, but it says a lot about their code of honour.
The Rajputs never made good use of terrain or tactics. Even then, they kept fighting ancient war - you know, lining up across from each other and then fighting.
It was only later with the Vijaynagara, Maratha, Ahom, and Orissan empires that they decided to fight dirty and did well against the invaders.
It does say a lot about their code of honour but it's good that they eventually realized that the invaders didn't have the same code of honour.
Actually, there is no reason to believe they ever changed their tactics. It was only other groups of people who changed, not the Rajputs.
Actually, there is no reason to believe they ever changed their tactics. It was only other groups of people who changed, not the Rajputs.
Did they change their style of fighting? Like the lining up method that you mentioned.
Ayodhya
12-12-2007, 04:24 PM
Actually, there is no reason to believe they ever changed their tactics. It was only other groups of people who changed, not the Rajputs.
Did they change their style of fighting? Like the lining up method that you mentioned.
Perhaps, but their code of chivalry did not change and that forbade a great many of mischievous tactics that would have easily given them the upper hand.
Actually, there is no reason to believe they ever changed their tactics. It was only other groups of people who changed, not the Rajputs.
Did they change their style of fighting? Like the lining up method that you mentioned.
Perhaps, but their code of chivalry did not change and that forbade a great many of mischievous tactics that would have easily given them the upper hand.
Ah, I see what you mean now. Thanks. :)
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